Comments on: Mythbusting PHP: 10 common myths about PHP http://opensourcesmall.biz/2008/02/mythbusting-php/ The living site of the book by John Locke Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:57:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.2 By: Vg http://opensourcesmall.biz/2008/02/mythbusting-php/comment-page-1/#comment-222152 Vg Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:37:30 +0000 http://opensourcesmall.biz/archives/2008/02/mythbusting-php/#comment-222152 PHP is a great scripting language no doubt. It has made possible, for programmers ranging from dumb to geeks, to create fascinating server applications possible. And even, let them able to create live websites and applications, as PHP/Apache combination is available on all servers linux or windows, with least cost as compared to others. But... There is a very big problem, when programmers opt php as a career as compared to .NET, Flex/Flash, C, C++, JAVA. The reason mainly, it is not centrally controlled, when it comes to providing jobs through PHP. As PHP is opensource, it is taken up by companies, that are notorious as job-masters. While the companies that make .NET, Flex/Flash, C, C++, JAVA etc. have to maintain reputation of being good job-masters ( atleast in theories). However i know, there is no direct relationship, but this works indirectly. I have almost always seen PHP companies, working on weekends, with there programmers engaged giving 16 hours a day. As i said, this is just indirect and blame cannot be put on PHP only. However, it's opensourceness and probably the lack of central control can be blamed. Not sure. :) PHP is a great scripting language no doubt. It has made possible, for programmers ranging from dumb to geeks, to create fascinating server applications possible. And even, let them able to create live websites and applications, as PHP/Apache combination is available on all servers linux or windows, with least cost as compared to others. But…

There is a very big problem, when programmers opt php as a career as compared to .NET, Flex/Flash, C, C++, JAVA. The reason mainly, it is not centrally controlled, when it comes to providing jobs through PHP. As PHP is opensource, it is taken up by companies, that are notorious as job-masters. While the companies that make .NET, Flex/Flash, C, C++, JAVA etc. have to maintain reputation of being good job-masters ( atleast in theories). However i know, there is no direct relationship, but this works indirectly. I have almost always seen PHP companies, working on weekends, with there programmers engaged giving 16 hours a day. As i said, this is just indirect and blame cannot be put on PHP only. However, it’s opensourceness and probably the lack of central control can be blamed. Not sure. :)

]]> By: Eneza http://opensourcesmall.biz/2008/02/mythbusting-php/comment-page-1/#comment-173075 Eneza Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:31:55 +0000 http://opensourcesmall.biz/archives/2008/02/mythbusting-php/#comment-173075 Interesting post... I use php and im trying to be a better coder. Spaghetti code yeah!!! Hell yeah! Interesting post… I use php and im trying to be a better coder. Spaghetti code yeah!!!

Hell yeah!

]]> By: Television http://opensourcesmall.biz/2008/02/mythbusting-php/comment-page-1/#comment-84172 Television Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:40:18 +0000 http://opensourcesmall.biz/archives/2008/02/mythbusting-php/#comment-84172 PHP is the most versatile of web languages, the only problem with it is that it's really limited to web applications and sites, yeah you can create an actual desktop program out of it but it's too clunky and unnecessary and you should rather spend your time with C or VB or Delphi, etc to make such desktop programs. PHP is surprisingly resilient and can do some incredible things with the given addons and extensions. PHP is the most versatile of web languages, the only problem with it is that it’s really limited to web applications and sites, yeah you can create an actual desktop program out of it but it’s too clunky and unnecessary and you should rather spend your time with C or VB or Delphi, etc to make such desktop programs. PHP is surprisingly resilient and can do some incredible things with the given addons and extensions.

]]> By: php coder http://opensourcesmall.biz/2008/02/mythbusting-php/comment-page-1/#comment-79896 php coder Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:02:56 +0000 http://opensourcesmall.biz/archives/2008/02/mythbusting-php/#comment-79896 php and perl are both excellent cgi langs. HOWEVER, do not use PHP image modules or image magick commands on dreamhost.com shared servers, or their admins will shut off your site without notice claiming your using up to much CPU seconds!! lmfao php and perl are both excellent cgi langs.

HOWEVER, do not use PHP image modules or image magick commands on dreamhost.com shared servers, or their admins will shut off your site without notice claiming your using up to much CPU seconds!! lmfao

]]> By: Jeena http://opensourcesmall.biz/2008/02/mythbusting-php/comment-page-1/#comment-79286 Jeena Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:27:45 +0000 http://opensourcesmall.biz/archives/2008/02/mythbusting-php/#comment-79286 If 9 is confirmed, it's not a myth. Remove it. If 9 is confirmed, it’s not a myth. Remove it.

]]> By: Dylan http://opensourcesmall.biz/2008/02/mythbusting-php/comment-page-1/#comment-78684 Dylan Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:12:33 +0000 http://opensourcesmall.biz/archives/2008/02/mythbusting-php/#comment-78684 I agree with this article, but number 7 isn't quite right.... ruby is fairly easy to pick up, but rails is incredibly slow compared to other frameworks at the moment. All this is slowly coming to change, so i think that number 7 should not be included in your list. Aside from that, it was a great article. I agree with this article, but number 7 isn’t quite right…. ruby is fairly easy to pick up, but rails is incredibly slow compared to other frameworks at the moment. All this is slowly coming to change, so i think that number 7 should not be included in your list. Aside from that, it was a great article.

]]> By: Spearhead http://opensourcesmall.biz/2008/02/mythbusting-php/comment-page-1/#comment-76995 Spearhead Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:35:02 +0000 http://opensourcesmall.biz/archives/2008/02/mythbusting-php/#comment-76995 Urd (http://urd.sourceforge.net/) is entirely written in PHP including a daemon process. The biggest problem we ran into devving it is no threads support and yenc decoding is many factors slower than a c program. Urd (http://urd.sourceforge.net/) is entirely written in PHP including a daemon process. The biggest problem we ran into devving it is no threads support and yenc decoding is many factors slower than a c program.

]]> By: Rickyok http://opensourcesmall.biz/2008/02/mythbusting-php/comment-page-1/#comment-76545 Rickyok Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:34:19 +0000 http://opensourcesmall.biz/archives/2008/02/mythbusting-php/#comment-76545 Hi, thanks for the post. Me too a PHP Programmer. Well PHP has been helped me a lot this 6 years. I loved it so much ^^. Hi, thanks for the post. Me too a PHP Programmer. Well PHP has been helped me a lot this 6 years. I loved it so much ^^.

]]> By: hanson http://opensourcesmall.biz/2008/02/mythbusting-php/comment-page-1/#comment-74683 hanson Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:48:22 +0000 http://opensourcesmall.biz/archives/2008/02/mythbusting-php/#comment-74683 I want to add to 9. that PHP's garbage collector is utterly broken, making it very hard to run a PHP program longer than the usual time span taken by a typical web page request. The garbage collector is unfortunately unable to detect cyclic object references and cannot free the memory occupied by objects which contain cyclic references. It can be worked around, but this is associated with some programming overhead and a lot of discipline, which requires the programmer to explicitly unset and destruct objects as soon as they are not needed anymore. Having created a huge object-oriented web application framework in PHP for myself, I stumbled over all these nasty technical problems and had to solve them in order to keep the memory consumption to its "standard" 8M limit. I guess, that's a big reason why using PHP for running services or desktop applications is currently not a bright idea. I want to add to 9. that PHP’s garbage collector is utterly broken, making it very hard to run a PHP program longer than the usual time span taken by a typical web page request.

The garbage collector is unfortunately unable to detect cyclic object references and cannot free the memory occupied by objects which contain cyclic references. It can be worked around, but this is associated with some programming overhead and a lot of discipline, which requires the programmer to explicitly unset and destruct objects as soon as they are not needed anymore.

Having created a huge object-oriented web application framework in PHP for myself, I stumbled over all these nasty technical problems and had to solve them in order to keep the memory consumption to its “standard” 8M limit.

I guess, that’s a big reason why using PHP for running services or desktop applications is currently not a bright idea.

]]> By: chris http://opensourcesmall.biz/2008/02/mythbusting-php/comment-page-1/#comment-74645 chris Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:15:20 +0000 http://opensourcesmall.biz/archives/2008/02/mythbusting-php/#comment-74645 great post :) thanks :) great post :) thanks :)

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